Former pro athlete turned life-style entrepreneur Lewis Howes interviews Rhonda Byrne, creator and author of The Secret, for his podcast, The School of Greatness. Rhonda and Lewis discuss life, the Universe, and the law of attraction, and how to use the power of your mind to live your dream. Rhonda also introduces her new book, The Greatest Secret, and explains how this will guide you to a life of joy and happiness, free of suffering. Click below to watch the video or scroll down for a full transcript of the conversation.
Lewis Howes – Welcome to The School of Greatness my name is Lewis Howes, as a former pro-athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur and each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today now let the class begin.
I am so excited about our guest today her name is Rhonda Byrne and you might know her as the creator behind The Secret, a documentary film that swept the world in 2006 changing millions of lives and revolutionizing the way we understand the world and created a global movement of people who believe in and use the power of the mind to live their dream life. In 2007 Rhonda‘s book The Secret was released and translated into 50 languages and remains one of the longest-running best sellers of the century selling over 35 million copies. That’s incredible. She is also the best-selling author of The Power, The Magic, Hero and her latest book that you must get, The Greatest Secret.
I was so excited to have her on this podcast because she doesn’t really do many interviews there’s not much content about her online. It was fascinating to pick her brain about life and the universe and the power of thought. I think you are going to love this and get a ton out of this interview and I cannot wait for you to listen to it.
In this episode, we discuss how Rhonda’s life changed after The Secretbecame a global phenomenon. What the law of attraction is and how you can use it in your daily life. How to break out of negative thought loops and why they are so persistent for us. Why Rhonda never gets mad at anything anymore. How she changed her mindset to manifest abundance in her life at one of her darkest moments. Why it’s so hard to seek and find the truth without suffering. The importance of leaving ego behind. Why we are ageless and timeless. The most influential person in Rhonda’s life. The biggest lessons she has learned from The Secret and what she still struggles with to this day and so much more I’m telling you this is so powerful and I hope you get a lot of value out of this please let me know what you thinking about this if you are listening over on social media @lewishowes and make sure you connect with Rhonda Byrne at The Secret over on social media as well and let her know that you’re listening and share this with someone who you think would be inspired by this lewishowes.com/1037 or just copy and paste the link where ever you are listening to this podcast share it with a friend, text them, this will truly transform lives, so get this out far and wide to the people that you know.
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Lewis Howes – Welcome everyone back to The School of Greatness and Rhonda Byrne is here and you are probably one of the most influential people in the past 15 years at least in the USA and around the world because the work you’ve done The Secret I believe the numbers that I saw were some 30 million copies sold you’ve created a movement you’ve written many other books since then and you’ve got a new book that we were just talking about that came through you in five weeks The Greatest Secret. As I was reading this book Rhonda it is interesting because I grew up in a religion called Christian science, I’m not sure if you’ve heard of that?
Rhonda Byrne – yes I do know that very well yes, yes, yes. Oh yes. I do.
Lewis – and it was founded by a woman, not sure if you are familiar with the woman?
Rhonda – oh yes who was the woman, just remind me.
Lewis – Mary Baker Eddy
Rhonda – oh yes absolutely I’ve read so many of her books.
Lewis – her book is called Science and Health and as I was reading this book it felt like I was reading a lot of the teachings that she had back in the 1800s and you reminded me in a sense of being able to find this information and share it from a religion I grew up in so you really have powerful wisdom in here. I grew up learning about the power of the minds about the power of understanding that we are not our bodies that we are infinite and all the stuff that I was taught as a kid.
Rhonda – oh that is great Lewis, on my gosh to learn that as a child that’s absolutely incredible.
Lewis – I wish I had learned other things as a kid that I didn’t learn but I’m curious I want to start with. I want to go into this book here in a second, but I have to be honest with you Rhonda as I was doing research about this interview, I could not find any interviews of you except for 10 years ago on Oprah and I was like am I just missing something or have I typed something wrong. Is there no content of Rhonda out there in this world what is happening? You became the biggest sensation in the last 15 years with the movement you created and then I didn’t see any evidence. Does anyone know anything about this woman, where is she? So number one I’m just curious how was your life been because I don’t think anybody knows this? How has your life been post The Secret?
Rhonda – absolutely amazing and I mean it was deliberate. I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived by these principles so I knew that the show would be very constructive. I mean I just shared something that I discovered and that I absolutely knew was the truth and I could look back on my life and could see my whole life just lined up in front of me and I was like oh this is the absolute truth and I was so amazed that I was still on earth because some of the negativity that I got into in my life and the universe definitely loves us because the fact that I was still standing. I really wanted The Secret message to be the hero and we can have a tendency to idolize people and I did not want that to happen. I wanted people to know a little bit about me and how I discovered it and the year that I’ve had but I didn’t want any of that to detract from the message, so I wanted the message to be king. So I did a few things that were very specific and I have everyone in the world wanting me to do things but I just didn’t want to get into sort of arguments with anybody because anybody that doesn’t want this is so fine by me I’m not out to convince anybody of anything. I discovered this and my life is unrecognizable, unrecognizable and it is so easy you can have everything that you desire and you can have everything that you want. You deserve everything and if there are people that don’t want that, that’s totally fine and so that’s why I was very selective and I have worked in media as well and I knew that sometimes media can really build you up and then take you down.
Lewis – yeah of course.
Rhonda – so I didn’t want to be turned into some kind of guru because I wasn’t that, I am not that. I am like everybody else just your normal every day something sort of looking like a person.
Lewis – yeh sure sure.
Rhonda – It was kind of very particular on my part however within those years I spent a lot of time answering emails from people who wrote in and asking for advice on various things, also writing other books as well and working on a lot of projects so I just dedicated my life to adding more material to make things easier for people, make life better for people rather than so much doing media but then with this book I don’t know there is just something inside of me said now you have to do this. It is very important you do this. So here I am.
Lewis – I’m so grateful you decided to do The School of Greatness, I think it’s a great marriage. I’m curious for those, my audience is pretty in tuned on the law of attraction and mindset and understanding thoughts and feelings is something that we talk about all the time and people are truly seeking information to improve their life every day when they listen here, I’m curious for those that maybe came here for the first time can you share what is the law of attraction and is it possible that anyone can truly achieve what they want if they use it effectively and also part two of this question what is the quickest way to hold you back from the law of attraction?
Rhonda – So one of the ways I talk about the law of attraction or The Secret is sort of a different way from the way I used to speak about it because I am always looking at how I can make it even simpler and I mean basically that work talks about power of the mind and the power of thought to create our physical world a material world and then The Greatest Secret takes that to a whole new level actually. And so then you really get to see that oh my gosh it is super easy. I can create anything I want, like really so easy because if we have a belief it’s hard then it’s going to be hard and so it has everything to do with our mind and what we believe and so if we believe I thought it will manifest, end of story, manifest.
Lewis – so if we believe we are deserving of great love then we will manifest it.
Rhonda – we will totally.
Lewis – and if we believe we are going to be poor we will stay poor.
Rhonda – Absolutely!
Lewis – If we believe we don’t deserve something then it’s not going to come to us.
Rhonda – you know it’s interesting because for all of us we have been conditioned, you were very fortunate because you had a childhood where your mind was opened and you were opened and your heart was opened and that is the biggest, biggest thing is to open yourself to the possibility that everything is not the way it appears to be. And so even if you can just open yourself to that possibility, just for a moment, you can pick it up all on the next day, you can take it with you all the next day that it’s all real and everything that you are seeing but If you just for a moment open to the possibility that things might not be the way that you think they are, then you have the greatest opportunity to really discover something incredible and how incredible you are. So with The Secret yeh I really simply it and the law of attraction because I would say to anybody if you would just think about what you want that is all you would ever get in your life.
Lewis – as simple as that.
Rhonda – right?
Lewis – A lot of people really think a lot of negative things, consistently.
Rhonda – they do.
Lewis – they are on a loop that just holds them to this negative pattern. So how do we break that negative thought pattern?
Rhonda – right so the mind is like a computer program and the fact that it is on a negative loop is because we programmed it on and negative loop, but you know we could have been influenced when we were children and things like that so one of the things the mind loves is it loves repetition, I mean loves it. If you really watch your thoughts, this is the same old thoughts over and over and it’s kind of dishing up the same old thing, so it loves repetition so the way you can override a program is to put in the opposite. You know and when you start out you feel like you’re lying, you say something like, you might be really broke, gee I was when I was making The Secret so you might not have any money and you’re trying to instil wealth and prosperity and riches and every time you say it you feel a contraction in your body because you know you don’t have it. But you know truly, I did it myself and after a while, you change it, you really begin to change it and you don’t quite have that contraction anymore and you start to see money coming in, in different ways. Or you can be given things that you were going to buy and now you don’t have to buy it, so you begin to see signs of land as one of the great new thought writers would say. They talk about a sign of land so you start to see a sign of land. Now that’s what I did in The Secret and you can do gratitude and that will turn everything around, that will make you feel good, that will get you off the negative rant. But those negative thoughts are coming from beliefs held in the subconscious mind.
Lewis – where do those beliefs stem from for most of us?
Rhonda – they stem mostly from our childhood, conditioning. Somebody or our parents said something to us and we swallowed it hook line and sinker. We are like right that is a belief so we take it in and then we have all these beliefs. And you can hear if you are talking to somebody, And somebody says oh I believe….. Because we say that all the time. Or somebody says I think… behind those two statements are going to be a belief and so the really interesting thing is, they are hard to spot because you believe they are true ha ha ha.
Lewis – yeh because they’re real.
Rhonda – You don’t think they are a belief you think they’re real so they can be hard to spot but if you start to listen to yourself, you know I believe, or I think, especially look at the things you have a really strong opinion about because where you have a really strong opinion is a belief that’s under it underneath that. So, one of the things in the latest book is that I show how to dissolve those beliefs, just really by some of the things that I’ve just mentioned and you can dissolve them, you just feel free. Every time a belief goes out you feel completely free. It’s an amazing, amazing feeling you just feel as light as a feather and actually, you feel invincible.
Lewis – yeh.
Rhonda – because can you imagine, for example, the feeling of doubt, right, doubt and uncertainty, now doubt and uncertainty play a big part in most people’s lives and they can be paralyzing those two things. So just imagine living a life with zero doubt and zero uncertainty. I mean, incredible.
Lewis – how do we get to a place of not doubting ourselves?
Rhonda – you can because you need to know who you are, so you don’t doubt yourself. The one that is doubting is the ego and the one that is doubting is the mind and it’s not who we are, so then you have to become very aware of your thoughts. That one that is doubting, the negative thoughts they are all coming from the ego, all of them because who you are would never have a negative thought ever, ever. Who you are would never judge. Who you are is allowing and excepting so all of those things are coming from the ego and they are not who you are. And that voice in your head that you hear, that voice that is so familiar to you, seems to know a lot about you, and sounds like you, that voice is not you. That voice is just a program.
Lewis – what was the voice that was in your head pre The Secret that you had to overcome that belief and then what’s been the program? Because I feel like every new evolution of us there has to be a type of thing to overcome, so has it been something that you’ve had to overcome in the last 15 years post The Secret to get to the next level?
Rhonda – definitely negative thoughts.
Lewis – before The Secret you had a lot of negative thoughts?
Rhonda – oh keeps. I was like everyone else. I was pointing out all the things that were wrong, and somehow I was just brought up, as I think a lot of us are, that you’re a good person if you point out the things that are wrong. You have to speak up and say that’s wrong, that shouldn’t be happening. So I was kind of brought up with that too so that brought up a lot of judgement and that does not help us at all. Judgement we need to put it in the trash. Because that does not belong with us and the one who is judging is the ego. It’s the ego, it’s judging the one, the one that has negative thoughts is the ego. So I had all of that going on, I had doubt, I had uncertainty, I had feelings of unworthiness, I had anxiety, I had heaps of stress, oh my gosh. I had heaps of stress.
Lewis – this was pre The Secret pre the book?
Rhonda – yes, yes this is pre The Secret. I was living on the edge, like white knuckles, what’s going to happen next, something bad is going to happen, and being really afraid. Something is going to happen to somebody that I love. I mean I lived my life like that, and I think everybody does, they just kind of keep it all squashed down, but most people live their life that way. In the last year if you have been terrified in the last year and really fearful in the last year all of that fear has been given to you as this lovely gift. When maybe you were a child here’s a whole lot of things to be fearful about and then we go through fear. I mean it is very easy to see that there is no pandemic that is fear, a fear-based pandemic. Why do we know that? Because there are a lot of people that are not afraid and so if the pandemic in the world was fear manifestation then every single person on the planet would be fearful and while there are a lot of people fearful there are still a lot that are not. So that just shows you that the fear was already here with us before the pandemic came along.
Lewis – right. What was the belief that you still had to overcome post The Secret? You overcame a lot to be able to create something like that, there was this incredible movement, but were there other negative beliefs that held you back?
Rhonda – oh yes the biggest one was that I was abundant, that was the biggest one.
Lewis – that was your biggest, limiting belief?
Rhonda – that was the one that I have been brought up with, we can’t afford it, we don’t have enough, money would come into my hands and it would slip through my fingers, things would break down. The universe would do all these things to get the money out of my hands. It was like take it away. Yeah because I had this belief that I did not have an abundant amount of money and that I was always in struggle and that came from my parents, bless them, they were beautiful but that came from them. We can’t afford it and all of those things, so I was brought up with that as many of us are. The one that I had the biggest thing to overcome, the biggest belief the biggest thing to overcome was the belief in lack of money. I knew I needed to overcome that for The Secret to sweep the world.
Lewis – to be able to attract and bring you, yeh.
Rhonda – I knew if I couldn’t overcome that how could it possible.
Lewis – why would money come to you then?
Rhonda – exactly! I had to overcome it.
Lewis – how did you overcome that, how did you? The fear of lack, not having enough, I’m not worthy of money, how do we finally transition into abundance?
Rhonda – I did that by many, many things. I tried many things. All kinds of things and I was experimenting with it. I would just walk down the street and say there is prosperity everywhere and I am breathing in prosperity, I do all these things and affirmations of I am breathing in prosperity with every breath I take. My substance is prosperity. I am abundant. I am worthy. I would say all these affirmations and I would have them all around the apartment I was staying in so I would see them and read them all day. So that was just one thing I did then what I would do and the biggest thing was because at the time I was in incredible debt. I was making The Secret and I didn’t have the money to make it and I started out at $2 million in debt and mind you because of a whole lot of shows that went really wrong.
Lewis – so you were producing tv shows at the time.
Rhonda – yeh I was and so I mean $2 million makes it sound like a had a lot of money. I never had anything like that money. These particular movies that we were making, they ran over budget and so I started with $2 million in debt. I remember I discovered The Secret and I went to my account and you have to do whatever it takes to keep my company afloat. I’m going to make something that is going to change the world and I’m going to make it and you keep my company going. He just said okay. I took out oh my gosh I maxed every credit card I had to the limit. I’m mortgaged my home to the absolute limit and took overdraft out on my company so I could make the documentary.
Lewis – wow!
Rhonda – so I had crashing debt coming down on me and I needed more money to keep making it. So it was a journey of absolute lack, you know and Lack was just an expression of what I have been brought up with so I had to turn that around. One of the things I did when I used to get my bills and accounts which came in the mail not online. So I’d go to the mailbox, and straightaway my stomach would tighten and if anyone has been in that situation where you just don’t have enough money it is such a horrible feeling. My whole body would contract and I would know that is attracting a lack of money and that is not attracting abundance. I used to do this thing whereby I would do gratitude and I would listen to music and I would do as many things as I could until I felt really, really good and I would just say to myself I am abundant, nothing would object. No thought would object. Right now is the time to open the mail while I’m feeling really, really good. Then I would open the bills and I would look at each one as though it was a check. I would imagine it’s a check.
Lewis – wow!
Rhonda – It’s a check it’s not a bill.
Lewis – so you play a game in your mind, hey here is $100,000 check.
Rhonda – Look at all the checks I got today. So I would do that and I would open them up and I’d be wow $160 check. A $2300 check. $100 check. Then I would add them all up and that is what I received today. And then I would think you know I need to be receiving more money than that so I would add zeros to the bills. I would pretend that they were instead of $160 it was a $16 thousand dollar check that was coming to me and so I would add it all up and I’d received all this money. So that was one of the other games that I played. And then I did something quite radical, it was an experiment and test and all of these things I did so that I could tell what worked and what would work for people. So I thought what is the way I can feel really good about money. Because when you don’t have enough it is really hard to feel good about money. Lewis – It’s really hard.
Rhonda – it’s really hard. What’s the one way that I can feel good about money, okay the way that I can feel good about money is if I give some away.
Lewis – but what about if you have no money to give away?
Rhonda – I didn’t I took it out on my credit card.
Lewis – WOW!
Rhonda – I took it out of these $20 bills on my credit card and I think I could access $100 or something and I took out these $20 bills and I thought right I’m going to walk down the street and I said to the universe show me who to give it to. So I would walk down the street looking at everybody’s faces and I don’t know if you have ever done that in your life is just walk so silently down the street looking at people spaces with a heart wide open and I was just melting looking at all these people’s faces and then it was just amazing the universe would just show me who to give it to. Like these kids walked out of the store and they were counting their money oh I don’t have enough to get that. They were wanting to get something in the store so I gave them $20 and they will like thanks lady and ran back in the store to get the ice creams or whatever it was they wanted. It was an ice cream store I think they were out the front of. So yeah, I just went down the street giving away this money and in fact, I think there was one or two $20 note that it just stopped and it wasn’t clear anymore who to give it to so I just stopped. Do you know that that was on a Friday and on the Monday, I received $25,000 in my account from a place I never ever, ever could have explained.
Lewis – wow so powerful.
Rhonda – right? Isn’t it something?
Lewis – it’s crazy! Was there any other tests or games that you tried to change your thoughts and play with your mind to start seeing yourself as abundant.
Rhonda – yes I did. I did a list of all of the things that I was going to buy when the money came in. So I did all of these lists and I imagined I have those things already. I remember I wanted a house on the ocean, I really went all out that was some list. One of the things I remember that I’d always wanted a Range Rover all of my life and that was just beyond anything I could afford. Especially in Australia where crazy prices but still I put it on the list and I put all these things on the list but you know interestingly enough I did that because that was a way to turn money around but when The Secret got released I didn’t care about any of it. I didn’t even care, all that matters was that I got it out into the world and now it was in the world it could never be taken away and that is what mattered to me more than anything is that that was going to get into people‘s hands and so but still I have to tell you I got all the things on the list. I’ve got amazing views of the here of the ocean and I ended up getting a Range Rover. I did a lot of practices and share those practices in a lot of the books and also we created an app which was The Secret to Money App and a lot of the practices I put in that app and I was just dedicated because I knew this was a big thing for people and that if I can do it anyone can do it. All you have to do is you keep doing it until you do not feel any lack any more. No more thoughts coming up saying oh no you’re broke. Thoughts where you are even looking at the money going out with light contractions. Something else I did I imagine that with those bills that I would open I imagine that I was giving those people money and helping their families. So I would imagine that as well. That was something else I did that when I paid a bill I would sit down and think about all the people that worked in that company and all of their families and would feel the feelings of all of that then I would think about all of the industries that service that company that I was paying the money to and that all of the money I was paying to them affects all of those people and helps their family and helps them get food and so that was sort of another way that I felt good about money.
Lewis – Wow! Do you ever wish The Secret came sooner to you in your life, when you were starting your career or when you were at a place when you could really use some money right now? You know 10 years prior or are you grateful that it came in the exact moment it came?
Rhonda – hey it would have been nice if it had come earlier.
Lewis – do you think you would have been ready for it?
Rhonda – No. I think the timing of the universe is perfect on everything. I don’t know that I would have heard it. I needed every single thing that took place in my life to happen. I had a couple of really rough years before 2004 and then 2004 was a doozy which is why it knocked me to the ground and I’ve looked back on all of those things and I’m so grateful for everything and every one of them because I needed every one of those things to go wrong to get me to the place that I got to. And I’m just so grateful, I could’ve lived my whole life without finding anything. I just think I’m so blessed.
Lewis – isn’t it interesting a lot of people that I have interviewed have gone through some kind of breakdown in their life or at some stage. And isn’t it interesting that it is hard for us to truly grow and find the wisdom we need to find without, when things are going good. Or they’re going kind of bad but it’s almost like we need to have some kind of breakdown in order or to have a near-death experience or a breakup in a relationship or divorce or an injury, a career loss in order for us to wake up and say something is not working I need to find the answers and the information to help me through my life. Why do you think it’s so hard to seek and find the truth?
Rhonda – I think it is because I would say to people you do not have to suffer. I write books so they don’t have too but it does just seem to happen that way and I think there are a few reasons why. I think when we kind of collapse there is a part of us that surrenders a little bit. If I think back to that night when I discovered The Secret I played that over and over in my mind. And definitely, I was, there was not the ego that has got so many ideas and opinions. I’ve always said that night that the despair was so great inside me that my ego jumped on a horse and rode the heck out of there. I think it just collapsed and so there was this huge opening and in that opening came everything. We just need to melt. Our hearts need to open and we need to get this out of the way, This knower that thinks they know everything, get this one out of the way and our hearts open and then oh my gosh it’s amazing. And unfortunately, it can take very challenging circumstances for that to happen.
Lewis – It’s interesting I love a lot of Jim Carrey’s work as an actor but he is also a beautiful artist and love his philosophies on life. He has a famous quote that I’m paraphrasing that says I wish everyone could become rich and famous and realize it’s not the key to happiness it’s not everything, it’s something around that. I wish everyone could achieve this and see it’s not the answer. You were like a rocketship that went into another universe with The Secret in terms of the movement you created and the success and the abundance that came into your life and the opportunities. I’m curious, did you still face any challenges even with all the acknowledgement and success and 30 million copies or however many you’ve sold now did you still face a lot of challenges personally through that?
Rhonda – yes I did. They were situations that were outside of what I was creating. Because I was creating all kinds of amazing things but then there are people around me that I love and they’re creating and so I had a daughter who was really really sick at one stage and I was really afraid and fearful for her life, and so I had a whole lot of negative thoughts that kind of took me down over that and I went through really really big wildfires in California but by the time the wildfires came they didn’t affect me because I had already had the second awakening so I was just cool with whatever happened. But between those two books, there were definitely things, in particular my daughter who was really struggling. So yeah there are things that happened that are outside of what you are creating for yourself that still affect you because others are creating that.
Lewis – right so even though you had the best selling book of the last couple of decades and all these opportunities and the abundance and you didn’t have to worry about those things any more it’s still doesn’t mean that you didn’t have your own challenges to overcome.
Rhonda – that’s right and you know what, as I’ve travelled along we are always going to have them. Everything in the universe is conspiring to send us home. And the way to get us home is to have challenges so that we question things and so that way we open up. I think we will always have challenges but, but, a big but you can get to a point where they don’t seem like challenges at all, where they just seem like they don’t bother you, you are not at all concerned, it’s not a problem. And when the wildfires came through for example I evacuated and had a house full of beautiful things and I didn’t take anything with me because if I took a whole lot of stuff with me that would be saying to the universe I think it’s going to burn down right? So I wasn’t going to take anything with me and I didn’t want to anyway. I was just fine with whatever happened. If it got engulfed then that meant that the universe needed to move me in a different direction and I was totally fine with that and I would know that it is for the better and for more amazing things, So I was absolutely fine and all the people around me were all panicked and saying oh it’s so close. It’s burning houses in the street and honestly, I never felt a shred of fear or anything at all. I was just fine with it. So that’s the way we can be. You can have challenges and in our community, there were really bad mudslides after those fires.
Lewis – yeh people’s homes were being swept away.
Rhonda – and took out some of my dearest friends died in that and lost houses and everything.
Lewis – this is the Santa Barbara area right?
Rhonda – Yeah, yeah but I was able to be of enormous help to the people around me because I was not down in the suffering where they were. I was feeling incredible compassion for everybody and everything the community was going through but I knew this community would rise up and be fine again as they have done. But I just made sure that I made myself available for people to help them in their grief and things like that but even that, I was evacuated again for another three weeks or a month and I didn’t know if my house was still standing or not but you know it was just fine. And I know people would be like but how? How can you be like that? And there have been other things, really tough things like my daughter lost a baby so all sort of things outside of my creation kind of thing. But just didn’t go into the suffering of those things.
Lewis – how have you learned to eliminate suffering from your personal life through the good and the bad that comes in? Do you feel like you have mastered that so you don’t suffer anymore?
Rhonda – I don’t feel like I suffer very much, no. I can’t say that I would never again, I can’t imagine what they would be that I would. Really the way that I did that was really on the journey which is all in the book and it is a journey, but one of the things in The Secret is what you resist persists. Right? And so I came to understand that if we resisted negative feelings then we just push them down inside of us and suppress them and then they would be sparking off at every little thing. If you’ve got anger suppressed in you, you can bet there’s going to be a whole lot of things in the world that are going to be the trigger to that anger that is pushed down inside you. So I intuitively worked out that if I welcomed a negative feeling, like imagined putting my arms around it and bringing it in close to me. What was so amazing you thought it would intensify for one second or two seconds and then it would just evaporate. Something that we try to push them away we don’t want to feel them but we are not pushing them away we are pushing them down here which then play havoc on our body. So one by one as a negative feeling would arise I would welcome it, it would dissolve and then if it came back it would just never be as strong like it was. It was like, really weak, and so then I would welcome it again until I don’t feel it anymore. I don’t think it is possible for me to get angry anymore.
Lewis – wow! So, say someone you love or a friend of yours or someone you love in a relationship is getting angry at you and they get angry at you for little things whether it’s your fault or not your fault how would you take on that situation?
Rhonda – yeah that wouldn’t bother me. Laughing.
Lewis – so if someone says Rhonda I don’t like that you did or you’re bad in this area what would you do get defensive or would you just say?
Rhonda – no because I would just look at them and see that that is not then that is the mind and the ego talking and that’s not them. So I just wouldn’t take that personally because it is not personal actually at all even if somebody is coming to you with a whole lot of stuff it’s just a recording, a computer program, it’s just a program in the mind and it seems like it’s personal but it’s not personal. And so I just wouldn’t engage and inflame in that situation and very often what I would do.
Lewis – what if somebody Rhonda this book is horrible, I don’t like the way you look, they just saying everything, or whatever, they’re saying all these things to try to attack you and her and put all these negative comments online, none of that would affect you?
Rhonda – No, no, no.
Lewis – You would just smile and say let me hug this emotion.
Rhonda – Yeah because everybody has different opinions, and everybody is in a different place. I just feel incredible compassion if I see somebody upset because I know that they have that emotion suppressed inside of them, I know they can’t help it’s like a pressure cooker and it’s got to come out. That’s why it’s not personal because if the family member is going at you and they are angry, they are angry because they have a whole lot of anger suppressed inside of them and so what happens is the subconscious mind is desperately looking for a trigger in the outside world to release some of the anger.
Lewis – WOW.
Rhonda – So it’s just no personal. Do you know if somebody was angry I would just be like you know you’re right, I think you’re right, yeh I think you’re right. I would just be allowing of that. Now I can’t say that I don’t know if every single situation in my life was going to be like that but I have not felt anger for a long time.
Lewis – wow now what if someone is listening saying well I feel like someone is walking all over me every time, I’m a punching bag for their emotions, I feel like they just take everything out on me. Whether they’re married or a couple, what advice would you have for someone in reinterpreting that, as opposed to taking it personally if they feel that way?
Rhonda – yeah well, of course, you don’t want to let people walk all over you too but you don’t want to stop them when you are all full of negative emotion because then they are going to feel that negative emotion and then it’s going to be fireworks, right?
Lewis – laughing
Rhonda – you can draw the line on somebody but if you’re drawing a line and you’re neutral and you are not filled with emotion it is so amazing to see that person will just comply.
Lewis – Shift yeah.
Rhonda – Yeah they’ll be like oh okay sorry I didn’t realize because they don’t feel any animosity coming from you so that would the first thing but if you cannot be in that kind of place where you’re not feeling a whole lot of things the work is an inside job. If all of those thoughts are coming not from you but they’re beating up on me then you’ve got feelings of unworthiness inside of you, this is why it is manifesting. None of those things are true. People are way more magnificent than they realize that they are. They have all the power in the World. So I think you just have to……
Lewis – were you an angry person ever? Or did you have angry emotions at any point in your life?
Rhonda – I did.
Lewis – do you remember dick the moment that this no longer works for me it doesn’t serve me any more I’m going to stop being angry. Was there a moment that this happened?
Rhonda – Yes, I think there was I just didn’t want to suffer any more that was really the moment for me. I sort the truth, I was seeking the truth because I wanted a way out of suffering and you know I have an incredible life but when I talk about suffering, what I mean is, suffering from the mind. Not suffering from what is happening in the world, suffering from the mind from this constant mind getting stuck into us saying you shouldn’t have done that, that was dumb. Or I don’t know how you are going to go doing that Podcast. I mean I don’t have those thoughts any more but I would have all of those things to do a pitch and the mind would just be how are you going to do this without freezing up? How are you going to do this? So it would just beat me up and then you have all those thoughts and then you feel really bad and I just did not want to suffer from the mind anymore and I was very clear it’s not the world it’s the mind.
Lewis – I love this you’re speaking my language here Rhonda. What is what would you say to someone who has a pretty good life, but they doubt themselves a lot still. They want to put this thing out there into the world, their book, their artwork, they want to say how they truly feel to the person of their dreams, whatever it is but the doubt themselves. They have a lot of self-doubt.
Rhonda – so there are two things really really work both work brilliantly. One is gratitude. You can do so much gratitude and that will just wipe out those feelings and the other thing is somebody who is feeling all those things has a base of unworthiness. What will take that out is love. If you go about just looking through the day and looking for all of the things that I love that about that person. I love this time of the year when this is happening. I love this time of year, I love holidays. Even when though the pandemic is still happening, I still love this time of the year. I love whatever it is. I love this car that I drive and I feel so blessed that I have this car. Or I love that I will be getting a new car one-day. I love my bed and I love my bed. And just look at all of the things that you love and really rampage it every day because as you send out all of that love it gets multiplied and will come back into you and gone are the feelings of unworthiness.
Lewis – I love that. I interviewed Liz Gilbert and I love her energy and her work, and she is just a sweet woman making an impact. Obviously, she wrote the book Eat Pray Love that I think did 12 or 15 million copies was a similar type of experience for her when she wrote this book and it took off into a major movie and all these copies sold all over the world and her life changed forever. And when I interviewed her one of the things she said, I may never be able to recreate this type of magic. I may never write a book that sells 10 million copies again in a year. Hopefully and I’m going to keep creating the work. Is this something ever you faced with as an artist as a creator who put something out into the world that has such momentum and continues today to sell to younger generations and takes on a new life of its own it seems. Did you ever feel like you would be able to recreate this or should I even put this new book out there because maybe it won’t do as well as the previous book? Have you ever thought that?
Rhonda – yes I have had those thoughts way early on, not so much now because I’m just fine with the journey with whichever way it goes. And the most important thing to me was to write this book and that it is in the world for generations to come. For everybody now who is ready for it and then for future generations. It was the same with The Secret, I just knew The Secret would change people’s lives well after all of us were no longer on the planet but I’m just so grateful with what happened with The Secret that I just think I am so blessed to have had that experience that I don’t mind. And this book that I’ve written for me is the most important book that I’ve written. The Secretis the best book for life on planet Earth, there is nothing better. It is very simple, and it is very straightforward it’s got the creative process in it, ask, believe, receive you apply to everything but this book frees us, forever. The very fact that it has manifested and is here in the world is all I ever need.
Lewis – you are very grateful yeah
Rhonda – for the lives that change from it everyone will be a blessing.
Lewis – why do you think we suffer so much? I’ve studied a lot of meditation with different teachers, been to India, I’ve got my own theories but I’m curious why do you think we suffer as a human race so much?
Rhonda – mostly where ignorant of the truth and that causes the suffering. All suffering comes from the mind, it doesn’t come from the world it comes from the mind. We suffer more from the thoughts, by believing our own thoughts that we do from anything in the world and the thoughts about 2020 way more terrifying you know. The mind just loves the drama, loves the drama. It will just so many scary thoughts around a drama and get you so worked up. The mind unfortunately is, it is our greatest tool to create the life that we want to have, but we are in a duality so it is equally can be our torturer.
Lewis – oh man. It’s funny that you say that because again when I was growing up and studying this book called ‘Science and Health’ by a woman named Mary Baker Eddy wrote this book and she said, “stand porter at the door of thought. Those that stand Porter at the door of thought, they are able to admit the good and reject evil, those are the ones to be sure to have a happy and healthier more rewarding human experience if you can truly be a guard of negative evil thoughts.” Drama thoughts, stress thoughts, gossip thoughts, judgement thoughts. And one of the practices my Dad did when we were watching football on TV growing up, he would turn the commercials off. He would not allow me and my siblings to watch the commercials because most of the commercials in the US at least growing up and today, were around pharmaceutical drugs.
Rhonda – lack of health, lack of health
Lewis – You need this drug to help you with this thing, and you’re sick, and you’re sick and you’re sick. And its no wonder, I think it’s 2/3 of our country in America is now either obsess or prediabetic or type two diabetes, and the amount of medicine that we need because we are constantly being fed, you are sick. So when these thoughts enter our mind and consume our thoughts they start to manifest in the physical body and it is something that I think we need to practice more of. I rarely watch the news because I don’t want my brain to take over into this dramatic soap opera of life, and I think it’s something we need to focus on more of is being a guard to negative thoughts.
Rhonda – absolutely, because one of the ways that this happened in 2020 is because of all of the focus on it. You know you focus on something it gets bigger, it’s as simple as that. You put your mind on it and it is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. And you know what we’ve got the whole world focused on it, this one thing and what happens, here we go again. So if everybody just took their mind off it, it will disappear off the planet. It would be gone.
Lewis – If you took your mind off of it, and didn’t consume and talk about it, obsess over it.
Rhonda – yep. Every time we talk about it, every time we obsess about it, we are energizing it, we are making it bigger. It’s just the way it works.
Lewis – there’s a lot of problems in the world right now and they have been there’s a lot of challenges that we are not obsessing over and therefore we are not manifesting it more because we’re not obsessing over it. It’s still there I mean coronavirus or whatever will be there but it wouldn’t be so magnified in our thoughts consuming us. You talk about everlasting happiness in the book and it seems like you have found a pretty blissful place but that might be, a lot of people watching or listening it might be easy for Rhonda because she’s a mega-millionaire and she doesn’t have to worry about money and she is got everything going for her, but as the world has shown there have been many suicides this year from a lot of wealthy people who were unhappy yet they seemingly had it all. How do we start to find the journey of everlasting happiness?
Rhonda – I’m a bit like Jim Carrey in that, one of the really great benefits, when you do acquire all those things, is that I was born into really, really humble family. They did not have very much money and many people would have considered us poor. And then suddenly you get all of these things. And it’s all wonderful and great, it’s horrible being worried about money it really is but that happiness that we think those material things will bring is fleeting you know and so I agree with Jim Carrey in that those things are never going to bring you everlasting happiness. And what will bring everlasting happiness is to know the truth about everything and to know the truth about who you are. And that will bring you everlasting happiness because that will take away all of the things that everybody is worried about, like death. All of those things will be resolved. And then everything falls into place. You are just like wow. And the world and the manifestation of the world becomes even more incredible than it was and when you’re not fearful you love so deeply. The love that you have is so deep and so here you are in this state I’m total allowing and I don’t mind what happens and you’ve just got these undercurrents of happiness so just imagine what law of attraction does with that? No resistance, just allowing, it’s so amazing I mean you don’t even have to think of something and it just comes into your life. Like it is so fast and one thing that I will say for sure I have always felt life works in the opposite way to the way we were brought up. Potentially not you Lewis because you were so fortunate but for most of us it works in the opposite way to what we thought and one of the things is we have all been driven to achieve and struggle to get somewhere and you’ve got to work really hard to get money, there’s a belief. No, you don’t that’s not the case all the time at all. So we struggle and push and effort, effort, effort and the most extraordinary thing is this, the more effortless you are the greater you manifest everything that you ever dreamt of.
Lewis – Yes, I love it.
Rhonda – because when you have effort you are saying I don’t have this. You are saying I don’t have it, and the universe hears I don’t have it. So, when you’re efforting you are like I don’t have it, I’m not worthy enough, I have to work harder, I need to really struggle but if you were just completely effortless everything comes because there is no resistance stopping any of it.
Lewis – I’m a big fan of this but I also understand the principle of working hard as an athlete, I would have to wake up early, train to grow, and learn my craft and put in years of practice. That was hard work. I have to grow my muscles and they aren’t growing effortlessly at that age. So some business owners would say the key to growing a successful business, working hard, building a good team, showing up consistently every day. What would you say to that thought around hard work for a lot of people?
Rhonda – As an athlete then you would definitely know those times when you performed brilliantly.
Lewis – when it was effortless. Yeah right, you’re in the zone in the flow.
Rhonda – you are in the zone you are in the flow, it’s just extraordinary like something is moving your body, it’s the most incredible thing. And actors to have the same experience, they will have this moment when they are on stage or acting and suddenly the ego is not there, they are just flowing, and it is incredible. I heard an actor talk about that and say all actors crave that moment. So effort comes from the ego and the mind that’s where it all comes from so we can do and achieve and have all those things without all of that effort.
Lewis – what’s the difference between I guess still at a level of needing to master your craft, like you became a great producer and director and creator and that doesn’t come after two days of not working on your craft right? Because you worked on your craft for a decade or two till you have the skill set and the wisdom to then put out what you need to.
Rhonda – you are still doing things. This is the thing, being effortless doesn’t mean you’re not doing things. What it means is there’s no effort in what you doing. So, you are still doing things and it is effortless. You were still working out, but it was effortless. So, the minute you feel like you’re struggling that’s the mind and it’s the ego that stepped in and it’s not flowing. People will find when they’re struggling you know that goes wrong, and that goes wrong, then that goes wrong and so you still do things and I still did those things and before The Secret, I did everything with effort, full effort 1000%.
Lewis – hard work full effort. Yeah
Rhonda – total, queen of effort.
Lewis – and you were lacking, and you were lacking abundance and lacking big results.
Rhonda – and so now I sat down to do this book and it was absolutely effortless. Oh my gosh. Absolutely effort that’s the most effortless book that I have written, for sure. I mean amazing really amazing. So when I was writing The Secret, I wrote The Secret in two and a half weeks.
Lewis – two and a half weeks?
Rhonda – because it was just like wow. I had made the documentary and I’d done all these practices, I knew what I wanted to share, all of the things that I wanted to share in The Secret and so I mean we spent about six weeks in the editing process of it but it just came like a rush. And that two and half weeks was effortless. And when I did this book it was effortless and there have been books I have gone to write where there’s been a lot of effort.
Lewis – really?
Rhonda – yeah and I just have to stop because I remember I wrote a book and I never published it. It was all effort and it was…
Lewis – you were forcing it.
Rhonda – yeh forcing it. And then so what you’re writing about is you just writing about a whole lot of recycled stuff and the mind is turning up and you are not receiving things from beyond the mind and you want to have things beyond the mind. That is why when you are an athlete and that flow and everything, that’s because the mind has stopped and gone to the background and now you are beyond the mind and when you are beyond the mind oh anything is possible.
Lewis – yeh you are tapping into a greater source, than yourself. What is some truth that you have now about life about the world and about manifesting, you’ve gone through a journey from The Secret to The Greatest Secret and you have obviously had some other big books between, but what are the main truths you’ve discovered in this journey?
Rhonda – the world is not what we think it is. The world is different from what it appears to be and even science and quantum physics will tell us that. With the observer effect, nothing comes into form unless there is a mind observing it. So, the world is not what it appears to be, and I always thought that it was separate, and this is a separate one here and this one is born and dies. Everything is separate and time is real. And this from here to my toes is who I am and they’re the things that are not true and that you have to work hard and struggle. I had no idea of the power of the mind. I had no idea of the power of the mind to manifest, and the power of the mind to sabotage us, to harm us. But I am really clear about it now, I mean those things are the greatest things I would say for anyone because when you see the truth and you kind of got to see it. It’s not an intellectual thing it’s like in The Greatest Secret I talk about, you know when you see those paintings where you just have to shift your focus there are two paintings in one right? At first, you see the one really, really clearly and then someone says to you there’s a woman on a horse in that painting, but you can only see chipmunks in the corner you can’t see the woman on the horse. And they are like you’ve just got a look, you just have to change your perspective ever so slightly and the woman on the horse will come into view, well that is exactly the same as it is to see the truth. Yes
Lewis – the Rubin’s vase.
Rhonda – yes exactly Rubin’s vase and so what do people see a vase or see……
Lewis – two women, right? Two faces.
Rhonda – yes right looking at each other. And you can see when you flip from one to the other, and that is really what it’s like. We see the world as solid and us as separate but if we just shift our perspective ever so slightly we see something entirely different that is completely freeing.
Lewis – what was the perspective that you still needed to shift in the last five years?
Rhonda – the mind.
Lewis – the mind?
Rhonda – the mind yeah just watching it come up, watching beliefs come up and being the witness. You know you said something so wonderful Lewis before about those negatives thought but just watching the mind instead of being hypnotized by it and getting lost.
Lewis – yeah!
Rhonda – getting lost in it. And sometimes I would be lost and then I would come out of it and I would be like wow you just disappeared with the mind. You just went thought after thought after thought after thought but even if you only realize it the next day at least you realized it. It’s great, it’s a win, it’s a really big win. It’s just like watching the mind and then the mind gets very still but certainly, I would say for people who follow The Secret and have integrated the law of attraction into their life that is a massive step. Training your mind to positive thinking and I can tell how joyful you are and positive you are as a person you are naturally that way. It’s really easy and that’s the first step is to get the mind into positive programming. And that is so easy to do, a day of gratitude you will see the difference the next day. It’s easy and getting it to be positive and then it’s much easier because then you’re dealing with positive thoughts and you’ve weakened the negative thoughts. And so, then you have an opportunity when a bit of drama happens and you see them come in, the mind comes in, wow watch out you better be careful. Then they stand out more to you. The biggest, biggest thing in our life for everybody is to become aware of your thoughts.
Lewis – yeah. So true. What’s the thought you have the most right now that you’re aware of in your day-to-day life?
Rhonda – Who I am, to remember who I am.
Lewis – who are you?
Rhonda – Consciousness. And that thought isn’t even coming from the mind because the mind can’t recognize consciousness.
Lewis – wow.
Rhonda – it has no hope of doing it. It can’t ever do it. So when you have a thought like that it’s coming from consciousness it’s coming from above the mind. There is this wonderful teacher that is in the book, Mooji, and he said and he may not have even meant this quote in this way but I always took it in this way because I absolutely loved it. He said you have to be like a cow that jumped over the moon. And I’m like that’s it you’ve got to be like the cow that jumps over the mind. That’s what you’ve got to be, and I don’t know if he ever meant it like that. That image for me that I would use that a lot I’ve got to be like the cow jumped over the mind. And that just helps me so much to stop identifying with the mind. Stop identifying with it and just to watch it. It’s glorious to think about what you want, think about it, think about it, and it will come it will appear. But then just be aware of your thoughts.
Lewis – what do you want the world, again there’s no, I don’t know any interviews I could find of you online. What do you want the world to know about who you are?
Rhonda – who I am consciousness?
Lewis – what is something you want the world to know about who is Rhonda? In the world today and what is the thing you think people might misinterpret about you? Again, there’s not a lot of content of you doing interviews online.
Rhonda – well I think there’s always going to be because it’s a duality, there’s always going to be the resistance to anything, and we’ve seen through history when somebody comes out with big ideas and new ideas let’s just take Galileo for example. You know big new ideas there is pushback because there is a duality. And so, I just see that as part of it. This is part of the world and there is going to be that and so I don’t mind. I don’t really see, or I don’t really regard Rhonda as something tangible. I wouldn’t even mind what anybody thought. I don’t mind.
Lewis – I love that.
Rhonda – I don’t mind, you know I guess if there was anything she was dedicated to the truth. You know. She was consciousness was dedicated to delivering the truth in the simplest way possible through that form.
Lewis – that is beautiful.
Rhonda – because somehow or another this particular body-mind has a real connection to simplicity, loves simplicity and so everything, just want everything to be simple for people to understand it is all so simple. And in actual fact, The Greatest Secret is simple, so simple. Three words will get you there, actually, three words will get you to who you really are, however, it all of the beliefs and the opinions and the fixed ideas we have in our mind that then we’ll something very simple complicated.
Lewis – right.
Rhonda – Well I can’t do this. I’m not Buddha, I’m not Jesus Christ, I can’t do this.
Lewis – what are those three words?
Rhonda – are you aware!
Lewis – are you aware? Because if I’m not aware then I’m in suffering, I’m in lack, I’m in frustration, anger, resentment, judgement and if I’m aware then I can get to a place of inner peace, abundance, love.
Rhonda – yeah because you can only be aware in the present moment. You can’t be aware in the past and the future, they don’t exist anyway so they’re just relative. And it’s important, that we have calendars and you and know we are to connect with time and everything. But it’s not real, even Einstein told us that but that’s a hard nut to crack, time because it’s a hard one because the mind is born in time and the mind creates time and so if you try and understand there is no time with the mind then the mind just goes to marshmallow.
Lewis – do you know what else is interesting another principal my dad taught me, he would always say there is no time it’s infinite. The time is infinite. And he would also never celebrate my birthday as a kid growing up and I never understood it. And I’ve told this story A few times to my audience and I never understood it until later in life I was like 12 or 13 and said dad why don’t you celebrate my birthday do you not love me and he sat me down and said it’s not that I don’t love you it’s that I don’t want to put a number on your age to limit you because so many people in this world say they’re too old or they’re too young, or their time has passed and I never want you to be limited by time.
Rhonda – oh gosh Lewis that is so beautiful.
Lewis – at the time I was like can’t you just get me a cake and some presents.
Rhonda – yeah you can get me the cake and presents and but then that would kind of condition you too.
Lewis – right!
Rhonda – I mean that is absolutely beautiful and that is pure love. That is not to condition you to time. Because it’s not true you know, that age the number of your birthday that is not true. It’s not true you are ageless, we are ageless. We don’t have an age and we don’t have a beginning and we don’t have an end. I just think that was beautiful because we’re so impressionable as children and it just all goes into the subconscious mind and then you’ve just gotta get it out.
Lewis – yes
Rhonda – we just have to go through life and all of this stuff goes in and then the way to freedom is not acquiring anything it’s taking it out.
Lewis – Simplifying our lives. It’s like people want to get big houses and then stuck at with things and then they realize they have to manage all these stuff now.
Rhonda – oh I did that.
Lewis – and I want a simple life now. I’m all for having nice things and quality and great experiences and everything but I find myself every few months gosh I just want to get rid of things in my closet and clean the space and to have a decluttered space to have declutter the mind.
Rhonda – the more the mind quietens, the quieter it gets the more orderly you have to have your life. The more order you want in your life. I’ve really noticed that about myself. It’s just the order, I want everything in order. No kind of chaos or anything. Chaos, of course, is the mind you know expressing itself, the chaos inside.
Lewis – what do you feel like is missing in your life at this stage in your life?
Rhonda – interesting question. Total full self-realization. Full, full, full. I’m certainly along the way a little bit and the book is full of teachers that have been self-realized or enlightened, whatever word you want to use for decades. And I can tell by the way that the mind is not, the mind is quiet and I can tell the way things don’t bother me anymore. People would wood or used to bother you, situations that used to bother you and when they come up I’m like how was it that they ever bothered me. I don’t even get why they ever bothered me I can’t see anything wrong with them. So, I can tell just that and the happiness that is with me each day, but just more of that, more of it.
Lewis – that’s beautiful. I’ve got a few more minutes with you and a couple of follow-up questions to respect our time together. This is a question I ask everyone at the end of our interviews and it’s called the three truths. It’s a hypothetical question. So I’d like you to imagine that you get to live as long as you want to live on this earth and in this body and this physical mind right. And you’ve achieved everything you want to create in the world from this point on till as old as you want to live physically, you’ve created it all you’ve seen your everything come true, your self -realized your self-actualized you’ve got more books and it’s all happened and for whatever reason, it is the last day, and for whatever reason this hypothetical scenario you’ve got to take all your body of work with you, so no-ones has access to The Secret, no-one has access to The Greatest Secret, just imagine, it’s a hypothetical. And you’ve got to take all with you to the next place, but you get to leave behind three things that you know to be true. Your entire life and your existence and these are only three lessons you can share with the world, that’s all they would have to remember you by these three things. What would you say are your three truths?
Rhonda – focus on what you want not on what you don’t want. Who you really are is deathless, infinite being, pure love, beauty those things are fine I think, although I can think of all those other beautiful things that we are. And there is no death. A great mentor of mine said to me many years ago he said the greatest moment of life is the moment of death.
Lewis – wow, it’s crazy.
Rhonda – and I said why is that and he said because all the negativity falls away it’s all gone.
Lewis – all the suffering, the negative thoughts.
Rhonda – he said it’s the greatest moment. He said if everybody knew that they wouldn’t stay.
Lewis – wow that’s crazy. Who would you say has been the most influential person in your life from birth to now? And what was the greatest lesson they’ve taught you?
Rhonda – gosh I’ve had so many. Angels at my table I call them that have been incredible in my life all along the way pre-secret, post Secret. But hands down is my teacher. Hands down because when I first met her she walked into a room and I’ve been told she was a student of two of my favorite teachers Leicester Levenson and Robert Adams. And I walked up to her to say I can’t believe that you are a student of these two incredible beings, and you know I walked up to her and went to speak to her and in that moment I was home. Everything, anything negative in my memory, everything was gone and I was in so much bliss and happiness and just tears pouring down my face. And I thought she would think I was crazy, and she said to me come with me and she took me into this lovely sort of sitting room away from everybody because I was in a retreat, not her retreat, but I was at a retreat and I sat down with her and yeah that was just the most incredible thing. Definitely, my teacher showing me constantly who I really am. Constantly showing me the tricks of the mind that she calls the troublemaker.
Lewis – what’s her name?
Rhonda – definitely her. She wants to remain anonymous.
Lewis – oh okay cool.
Rhonda – so all of her teachings are through the book I’ve shared, she has allowed me to share all of the words that she has shared with me and all of the practices and they are in the book and in fact all of the teachers in the book every single one of them have changed my life. They have all been my journey from The Secret to now and so everyone of them, some of them I have followed for two years or three years or four years and some of them one year or a month but every single one of them has impacted my life in a really huge way. And so they are the journey from The Secret to now.
Lewis – you have a lot of quotes from your teacher and your teacher says don’t believe the troublemaker and it’s kind of cool right there.
Rhonda – yeh that’s right.
Lewis – This has been a pleasure I’ve got one final question for you Rhonda but I want to make sure before I ask to let everyone know they can get this book The Greatest Secret right now online. You can get it online, Amazon you can go to your rep website Rhonda Rhonda byrne.com or you can go to thesecret.tv. I’m sure they’ll be links everywhere where you can find this book and also get this for your friend or your whole family this is going to be extremely powerful especially going into 2021 for you to understand the wisdom in this book so get a few copies for yourself and make sure to share it online. You’re not very active yourself, personally I think on social media but you have twitter, instagram and facebook that is active with The Secret.
Rhonda – yes and I do write a lot of things, like during the pandemic I was writing a lot of things to help people get through that so I was really and the team post those things. Yeh I was really focussed during that time and a lot of things I posted of things that I’d written like written Scrolls and then I’ll use those pieces on social media. The other thing is to the audiobook is being released and I’ll get the guys to send you a code it’s nearly finished it has all the teachers voices.
Lewis – wow that’s cool.
Rhonda – I always read my books and we produced it because I have a production company so it’s amazing it’s like a whole new level of audiobook.
Lewis – wow I’m excited about that.
Rhonda – So if people don’t read and I know a lot of people don’t read, an audiobook is absolutely amazing.
Lewis – is this on audible.com or on your website?
Rhonda – yeah it is. It’s going to be everywhere but on audible as well.
Lewis – I’m very excited for this. Before I ask you the final question I’ve got one final question Rhonda, I want to acknowledge you for a moment because you are an incredible gift and you have this joy-full energy, this childlike energy that is continually curious to find answers in your life and then you’re so giving in what you learn that you created it and you package it in a way that is beautiful, that is easy to consume in a complex idea type of world, so I just want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up even when you don’t have to do anything. You created The Secret, you made it in a lot of people’s mind but you keep showing up to add value to the world and for me, I’m really grateful that you are here and constantly showing up. So I just want to acknowledge you for that.
Rhonda – thank you so much Lewis that is the sweetest thing, thank you.
Lewis – of course, and I hope we can connect in the future sometime.
Rhonda – I do too
Lewis – we’re both in California so I hope we get to say hi and give you a hug sometime when we can. My final question for you and again I want to make sure we get the book and they follow you on social media and we will have this all linked up but my final questions is what’s your definition of greatness?
Rhonda – wow. Who we really are. That’s my definition of greatness actually that’s the only greatness there is. So I would say any greatness that we see in the world is the greatness of the infinite been that we are I would say that absolutely categorically there can be no other greatness than the greatness of the infinite being manifesting through all people. I actually think everybody is filled with greatness they just need to realize that.
Lewis – Rhonda Byrne and Greatest Secret thank you so much for being here I appreciate you very much.