Lilou Macé – Hello Rhonda

Rhonda – Hi Lilou

Lilou – So happy to interview you again.

Rhonda – Yes, it’s very nice, twice.

Lilou – Yes last time we had a great time obviously like many people, and I had said it this last time but in 2007, 2006 I should say with The Secret I was totally blown away by the law of attraction and start applying it in my own life, and millions of people starting apply… Started back then to apply it. You have produced it, this this great movie and this book, (The Secret Book) that was sold to millions and millions, in different languages all around the world and it was a big success. So before going into your latest co-creation let’s say, which is the manifestation cards (The Secret Manifestation Cards) with Beyond Words and that is also actually in France, hence this interview that will be translated in French.

Rhonda – Yes, yes.

 

Lilou – We’ll go into details with the cards but first I just want to get the overview for the people that don’t know the law of attraction or that might have a misunderstanding about it, could you just say how you view the law of attraction, or how it even has evolved for you since?

 

Rhonda – Yes. I would be happy to do that. Whenever I describe it it’s always in a different way every single time.

 

Lilou – Good.

 

Rhonda – First of all, we create our reality, we create our life, actually moment by moment through the law of attraction. We create it through our thoughts, and through our thoughts only. Our emotions play a part in it because our emotions have a lot of energy and they energize our thoughts, accelerate our thoughts to manifest, but what we think is what we will experience in our life. So instead of thinking about the things that you don’t want, you just need to start to train your mind to think about the things you do want which is thinking positively. Right? Negatively is thinking about what you don’t want and then your life will completely change. Yes, go ahead.

 

Lilou – Yeah, no, no. I think we’ll go into even greater detail with the different cards because there’s this deck of cards that just came out that allows us to be in this motion and be in this energy of manifesting and remembering, remind ourselves of all those principles, so I think it’s great that you have done that. So, we’ll go even in greater details later thoughts are energy you’re saying and there’s three steps to manifesting. Can you remind us, what are those three steps?

 

Rhonda – Oh good for you. The three steps that we give in The Secret are, ‘ask’ which is getting clear about what you want, ‘believe’ that you already have what you want.

 

Lilou – That’s a big one.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, it’s the big one, it’s the main one. And when you believe that you already have it, you will ‘receive’ it. So it’s ‘ask’, ‘believe’, ‘receive’. The moment that you fully believe you already have it, it will manifest. It’s just that simple, so then you have to play kind of games, to have yourself… make yourself believe that you have it already. And why

do we have to believe that we have it already? The reason that we do is because for the law of attraction there’s no time. There’s no time for any law actually, all of the laws of physics they’re operating now, now, now, you know not in the past not the future.

 

Lilou – So it’s like, you would say that past, present, future, are coexisting.

 

Rhonda – Yes exactly. And if we, for example this is how sensitive law of attraction is, if we are wanting to manifest, I don’t know, pair of sneakers that we really want to get, and so where we are thinking about those sneakers as something we’re going to have in the future then we will attract always having to have the sneakers in the future. Right?

 

Lilou – They’ll never come.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, we have to see it as now, because the law of attraction does not care one bit whether it is real or imagined.

 

Lilou – So how do you explain, sorry. How do you explain then that sometimes it’s even better than what we have thought… when it manifests?

 

Rhonda – Yeah, it often is that way. It has been for me, most certainly, but I always make sure that when I want to manifest something that I always say, or more. I always add the words. We tend to limit our lives down to like the size of a pea when we are the most powerful beings in the Universe.  I am always breaking limitations so if I think that I might need x amount of time for something, not to manifest, but x amount of time for something then I will say or less. You know. Or if I’m wanting to manifest… if somebody wanted to manifest money I would never say, I would never like visualize, I want to manifest $10,000. That is so limiting, you have to say or more, or more. Yeah.

 

Lilou – So let’s go straight into one of these cards. I mean the third step, I don’t know if you mention it, but it’s receiving.

 

Rhonda – Receiving and that is… that’s when it manifests. It’s receiving, and for receiving, I mean for receiving you need to feel good. Because something isn’t going to manifest when you’re feeling bad. It’s going to manifest when you’re feeling good.

 

Lilou – Okay.

 

Rhonda – I can go into that but that’s kind of frequencies.

 

Lilou – Yeah. So, you were mentioning… We’re going to go more into, I mean into this topic obviously with the cards. I think it’s because I’m excited with those cards. ‘YOU WERE BORN A CREATOR’, that’s one of them.

 

Rhonda – Yeah.

 

Lilou – Can you comment on that? You were starting to speak about that, the global picture of who we really are, and we don’t even know yet. I mean we’re just starting to discover.

 

Rhonda – We’re just starting, yeah. I mean we’re appearing as an individual person, but that is the smallest part of us. We’re actually never born. The consciousness of us was never born and never dies, it’s completely eternal. Certainly, the body is born and the body ends, but we are far greater than that. It’s that power that we are, there is actually no other power in the Universe than the power that we are. No other. There’s just one power, and that’s us and so that’s why we can manifest things when we have focus, and we believe that we have it, is because the ‘all power’ that we are, is manifesting that.

 

Lilou – You’re saying like another card is, YOU ARE AN ETERNAL BEING, so basically that’s related to that.

 

Rhonda – That’s related to that, yeah. Never born and never die and that applies to every, I want to say not only every human being that appears, but every living being, everything, our pets, our everything. There’s no… and we already know that energy can’t be created or destroyed. If we look at it from an energetic level it can’t be created or destroyed it just transforms. There’s just no death in existence.

 

Lilou – And we are afraid of dying.

 

Rhonda – I know, right? It’s crazy.

 

Lilou – It’s crazy. Yes, so let’s go into the next one. ‘BE AWARE OF YOUR POWER’. So, this is owning it, knowing it, feeling it, how would you describe it? So that because we can’t even cope with it intellectually, so how can we be aware of our power? Are there practices, or what would you recommend so that we get a glimpse of it even?

 

Rhonda – I think it’s always if somebody is beginning, I think it’s always good to start manifesting something small. When they’re manifesting something small then that will help their belief factor. They will begin to see the power that they have, and it’s a really good idea to choose something that when it manifests you absolutely know without a doubt that you created that. I remember we got a story from a guy, and he wanted to manifest this particular feather which he made up in his mind, the colors, blue and all these dots, and all of this kind of thing. He flew to New York for a business meeting, and he was walking into this high-rise building, and he just happened to look down on the ground and there was the feather. Exactly as he imagined it. So of course, he knew without a doubt that he had manifested that. I think to choose something you know that you know for sure, that you did it. Starting with smaller things, car parks, cup of coffee, all of those kinds of things. Even like   what the currency with Euros, but you know X amount of Euro, a note of Euro that you want to manifest.

 

Lilou – How do you know like, you said earlier past present future are coexisting, so how do we know that we’re not getting that thought of that manifestation that we want because it already exists on some levels, you know, it seems like the more we practice the more we kind of fine tuning more easily between all those different temporal lines.

 

Rhonda – Well it’s really interesting that you… no one’s ever noticed that before but when I said before, nothing can be created or destroyed, right? Nothing can be created that means everything already exists. It already exists. So that means every thought already exists.

 

Lilou – That means every possibility exists.

 

Rhonda – Every possibility…

 

Lilou – We might as well claim it.

 

Rhonda – Exactly right. And we get this, we think that oh it’s going to be hard to manifest for example a car. It’s a big deal it costs a lot of money you know that’s going to take a long time to manifest that. But it already exists, otherwise you wouldn’t have the thought of it. It already exists so you’re right, claim it. You know drive the car in your mind, be in the car and do all of those things, and feel the car, and I mean it’s that easy. I would say the difference between now and when I first discovered The Secret is that manifesting is way easier even than when…

 

Lilou – What still gets on your way, is there something, have you discovered something that most human, are you it gets on your way for not manifesting instantly?

 

Rhonda – I think for a lot of people they have beliefs like they don’t deserve it. They didn’t work hard enough for it. One of the things for example that I think so many people have, and if I mention this then the people listening or watching will be able to let this belief go. Most people have the belief that the only way that money can come to them is through their work, through their job. And you know the minute that you believe that you stop the Universe from delivering money to you in all kinds of ways. There are unlimited ways that money can come into each of our lives but if we think the only way that money can come to us, is if it is through our job then, you know, we used the Genie, ‘Your Wish is My Command’, you know. Whatever you think, ‘your wish is my command’. Whatever you think ‘your wish is my command’ We need to break those beliefs that don’t serve us and

instead believe that money can come to us in unlimited unexpected ways.

 

Lilou – Yes. Actually, since everything is coexisting at the same time there is just unlimited amount of money, we might as well claim it again.

 

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Lilou – ‘CHANGE YOUR THOUGHTS, CHANGE THE FUTURE’. So, this is as you were saying earlier. I’m showing the card, another one.

 

Rhonda – Yes.

 

Lilou – At the end of every day before you go to sleep think through the events of the day, if any events or moment didn’t go the way you want replay them in your mind the way you want them to go. Tell us more about that?

 

Rhonda – I really love this.  I discovered this through a teacher Neville Goddard, and he called it ‘the pruning shears of revision’. I really love it and because you just take something in the day that didn’t go the way that you wanted. Well, the difficulty is if it didn’t go the way that you wanted and you didn’t let it go, you know, completely let it go emotionally and mentally, then we we’ve stored it in our subconscious and it’s going to attract a similar situation. We need to we need to let that energy go out of our body so by going back over the day and seeing something that didn’t go the way that we wanted, and then we replay it, not only are we preventing it from happening again in the future we are actually giving law of attraction something that we want. It’s really fantastic thing, it’s a really fantastic practice to do, really, really great.

 

Lilou – We can do that with our past since its existing right now.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, yeah.

 

Lilou – So impacting our future and our present. There is only really the present then.

 

Rhonda – There is. There’s no past and there’s no future and how do we know that there’s no past and no future well for a start you can’t even get a little toe into the past. Like we can’t step into the past, oh excuse me, I’ll just go back to yesterday, and likewise we absolutely cannot step into the future. And all that ever exists is right now, and I think that is also one of the tricky things for human beings because they’re living in the future in their mind but the problem with that with law of attraction, they will keep attracting the same thing in the future that never exists, and it won’t ever come into their life now.

 

Lilou – I have a manifestation question since it’s called manifestation cards (The Secret Manifestation Cards). Is there any other better way than after actually having done some work on ourselves, liberating some old belief, liberating some trauma, start to sit in the space of nothingness, let’s say, and just let the manifestation come to us instead of imposing them mentally, you know what I mean? Like we have a tendency to want to

fix things, and we want to manifest sometimes for the wrong reason. Whereas there is something really even more effortless that seems to come from the source for us?

 

Rhonda – There is yes… and which is what I do these days rather than… I just feel that the Universe and life will give it to me with way more bows and whistles if I don’t get in

the way of it. That’s because our imagination and our mind is actually limited, except consciousness and the Universe. Consciousness or the Universe is completely unlimited and so we can just by feeling good, just by appreciating, being grateful, and living our life like that, living our life in the present and not believing negative thoughts and getting caught up in anything like that. I mean, oh my gosh, life will be an avalanche of goodness and riches in life. And riches in every area, you know. Riches in health, and relationships, and not just financial. I was talking to a man yesterday and he was actually featured in one of the books HERO and he’s a multi multi-billionaire and he gave away a billion dollars you know. He was telling me yesterday he gave away a billion dollars. Do you know he contacted me when The

Secret came out, and a lot of people did, but just I don’t know for some reason I just responded to him, and he wanted to tell me that this is how he had been successful. He did he did everything that I talked about in The Secret Book, and so we’ve stayed in contact ever since. He does gratitude every single day, his life, he just describes his life, is just incredible. His life is so beautiful when he’s on the phone with me he’s always talking about how beautiful the sunset is that he’s seeing, and I mean he’s just…

 

Lilou – Raising his frequency.

 

Rhonda – …honestly. He’s like the perfect example of living The Secret, absolutely perfect example. His life is incredible he puts no limitations on anything.

 

Lilou – There’s one of the cards. I don’t think I have it here from the selected, but it’s called Gratitude is the riches.

 

Rhonda – Yes. GRATITUDE IS RICHES. What is poverty…

 

Lilou – There several other ones that I have here…

 

Rhonda – Gratitude is riches complaint is poverty. Yeah, that’s one of the things.

 

Lilou – GRATITUDE IS THE GREAT MULTIPLIER. Let’s talk about that one for a second.

 

Rhonda – Yeah okay so in terms of law of attraction, remembering that for law of attraction it is seizing every thought, and it doesn’t care whether that thought is here, or whether that’s a real thought, or whether you’re fabricating, it doesn’t care, it will fulfill. That’s what it will do. It’s just like a giant photocopy machine and it will send what you’re thinking back into your life, as the circumstances of your life. With gratitude if you’re

being grateful for just what you have even if it’s not much, will, just by the law of attraction is automatically set free for the forces to bring you more. It’s the way that it happens, and I just think it’s the easiest way to see law of attraction. Because for a start, when you do gratitude, you feel really, the more that you do it you feel really good. Your heart kind of melts, the mind stops going crazy, and then already, you’re in the most incredible manifesting place because the way to manifest fast is through joy, the highest frequency there is. Then you’re just going to manifest almost instantaneously because you’re in joy and so gratitude has you let go of resistance, and law of attraction will just multiply whatever you’re being grateful. So, you can be grateful for things you don’t have.

 

Lilou – Yeah. There’s another card, HAPPINESS ATTRACTS HAPPINESS. So, this is what we’re talking about, more of that.  the more we emit that the more we receive that.

 

Rhonda – Yes. So every moment each one of us is… we’re vibrating energy and we’re vibrating at a frequency, and how do we know what frequency we’re vibrating at, we can tell by how we’re feeling. For example, if we’re feeling sad, well sadness attracts more sadness, and anger attracts more anger, and we know that. Something goes wrong in the day, and we get angry, and then more things go wrong, and so anger attracts more anger,

happiness attracts more happiness, joy attracts more joy.

 

Lilou – A lot of people talk about how powerful the sound is and the Universe is being created through sound, is there such a sound for you that works great, to to be in those frequency is it maybe, sacred mantras, or maybe it’s songs, or type of music that you personally listen to, to bring you to higher vibration, and switch maybe sometimes to bigger joy?

 

Rhonda – Definitely use music to feel amazing. These days I feel pretty incredible most of the time. I’ve kind of stabilized at a higher level of Happiness earlier I was a little bit like a roller coaster. But just by persisting with it and letting go all the time, and not letting emotions bother me, you kind of sit at joy, but now I forgot your question.

 

Lilou – Whether, like what kind of music would you listen to, your sound to bring your frequency higher? Like examples?

 

Rhonda – Yes, I do. I will listen to music, and I often give that advice to people, if there is a song or a piece of music that you cannot stay still. Like it just fills your body and affects every cell in your body then if you’re feeling low, or you’ve woken up a bit grumpy, or whatever, listen to that song and let that song lift your frequency so you don’t go out into the day grumpy. Because you go out into the day grumpy, guess what you got ahead?

 

Lilou – You’re going to attract grumpy people and grumpy reasons to be grumpy.

 

Rhonda – Yeah rude people.

 

Lilou – (French conversation behind the camera that Lilou must attend to)

 

Rhonda – Is she okay?

 

Lilou – Yes. She is, she was, she’s hungry that’s her way to get attention right now.

Let’s talk about this card, YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF YOUR POWER.

 

Rhonda – Oh I know that you just asked me a question, is there a word I use… by the way, and there is a word that I use.

 

Lilou – Yeah

 

Rhonda – And the word is LOVE.

 

Lilou – Love.

 

Rhonda – I will chant that word.

 

Lilou – Love in English or in another language?

 

Rhonda – In English. It doesn’t matter which language, as long as you know what that feels like, but that’s the word that means so much to me, and that’s the word that I feel the frequency of that when we create something new. I really send that into everything we create.

 

Lilou – Wonderful. YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF YOUR POWER. So, this is it, you’re talking about love right now in the world, love you’re connecting to the love. To greater love, I guess to the love that there is Source, the Divine love, the Agape love maybe even?

 

 

Rhonda – Yes true. What do I say on that card? Because I can’t remember.

 

Lilou – You say, ‘YOUR HEART IS THE SEAT OF POWER.  Here’s a way to instantly stop a downward negative spiral: Focus on your heart. Breathe in deeply, keeping your focus on your heart, and concentrate on feeling love in your heart. Breathe out while keeping your focus and feeling the love in your heart. Repeat this a total of seven times.

 

 

Rhonda – Yes okay. So, heart breathing is a really big deal. Like I’ve, through heart breathing, I’ve stopped a dog from having a stroke. It takes a little bit of practice to get the feeling. So, we’re just like looking at this central area to feel our heart and the way that I learned to do it was to imagine breathing in and breathing out, that my breath was going in through the heart and out through the heart. I close my eyes and I would breathe in, and then I would breathe out, and just be focusing on the heart. And you can get to a point where you just feel like, all of this tingling joy all through your heart. Then I focus on love and then sending that out. That was something that I did every single day when we were making The Secret and I was having my morning coffee, and I would do that and I would just send it out to the world.

 

Lilou – It seems like the heart is like a portal I mean like each chakra I guess are portals, but this one is quite particular, no?

 

Rhonda – Yes it is. I think so too, it’s a beautiful thing when… I think the Heart Math Association who are here in California called it, when the heart gets all tingly, it’s like a crystallization that’s taking place. Oh my gosh it’s incredible because if you got to that point then what you need to do is think about what you want to manifest, because you’ll manifest it really fast.

 

Lilou – Wow thank you for saying that it’s beautiful. CREATE YOUR TOMORROW TODAY. So some powerful rituals before going to bed you’re saying on this card. Every night, replay the good moments of the day and think about the next day, and intend that it is going to be the best day of your life.

 

Rhonda – Yes it’s really important to…

 

Lilou – that it is going to be the best day of your life, sorry, yes.

 

 

Rhonda – Yes, it’s really important to choose, you know we need to make decisions and we need to choose what we want to happen in our lives. Just to wake up and go into the day and not have made any choice, what happens then is you’re going to experience other people’s choices and they might not be good. Generally, they’re not. So, you need to say, you just need to say, you’re the all power, you can say what kind of day you’re going to have. To do it the night before you know going back over the day and looking for the best thing that happened that day, or the good moments of the day, kind of has your heart melt a bit which then makes you way more powerful for setting intentions for the next day, but everybody, set intentions. Set intentions before you go to the dentist, before you go to the doctor, before you have a test, before you do exams, you know, before you get married, before you go to dinner, you know. Set intentions before you drive the car.

 

Lilou – I love there is something with Access Consciousness and they have this little sentence too that says, ‘how does it get any better than this’. I love it when I manifest something to keep on opening it up, instead of, ‘oh my God’ this is so great that this is how good as it gets, or I don’t know what sentence we put out there at that time.

 

Rhonda – Yeah, yeah.

 

Lilou – Topping it.

 

Rhonda – Yeah topping it exactly, limiting it.

 

Lilou – Ah instead of keeping on opening this beautiful space but then at some point we get a little bit anxious, no? It’s so big and it seems out of control, and we keep on manifesting bigger. Did you fell this already in comfort of ‘oh my God’ this is it, it’s manifesting and all

of a sudden it keeps on opening, opening, opening and all of a sudden, it’s kind of like climaxing to this level where it’s too much?

 

Rhonda – Yes certainly with The Secret, I felt that because it was just so massive. So massive at the time when it went around the world. I never kind of felt it was too much though because, all the only thing that I needed to rein in was the media, you know, because it was just every radio program in the world, every newspaper, every television show wanted me on it and I wasn’t interested in in doing that. I wasn’t interested in having… trying to prove anything. The Secret was sharing what I knew was the absolute truth for those people who wanted it, and I wasn’t out to go proving anything with any journalists, or… So I was very particular but I had a media background so I had good training to just do Oprah, and you know.

 

Lilou – That was a safe one, yeah. That was a good card, Oprah card fine.

 

Rhonda – Exactly.

 

Lilou – There is one here, just few more. EVERYTHING IS ON TRACK – ALWAYS. that’s a good thing to remind ourselves.

 

Rhonda – Yes. It’s one of the questions that if I’m meeting some new people, I can just about guarantee you that they will say, can I ask you a question? ‘Oh my gosh what about the world, the current state of the world, and everything that’s happening.’ And it is really challenging you know, but I’ve listened to recordings of the 1930s where teachers are saying, ‘I know it’s really hard times the world is in a terrible state at the moment’, and so it’s actually no different than it was back then. When something’s happened already, what we need to appreciate and understand and accept, is that that was the way that it was going to happen, because it’s already happened. So everything is on track, and always, always, always and none of us die. That’s the thing you know to understand, right? When you say everything is on track, none of us die, and it is even greater than that, but no one dies.

 

Lilou – See what is even greater than that.

 

Rhonda – Oh okay, that no one is hurt or harmed. Ever. Yeah.

 

Lilou – Ever.

 

Rhonda – Ultimately ever.

 

Lilou – So it’s an illusion we have? There seems to be quite a lot of Illusions we’re having.

 

Rhonda – Oh yeah there’s a lot, and they’re very convincing aren’t they.

 

Lilou – They are, they feel real.

 

Rhonda – They’re so convincing but I just think certainly every single one of us will have times in our life of suffering, but through that suffering we come out the other end and we have learned a lot, we’re wiser, we’re way better for it, we’re far more compassionate…

 

Lilou – Yes

 

Rhonda – … to other people than we were before it occurred. Like if you have… if you lose somebody very close to you from that moment on you will be a strength to other people that are going through that. All of those things help to shape us and let us experience. I remember my mentor, a mentor of mine from Canary Island said to me when I was going

through really challenging event, and he said to me, ‘God never gives us anything that we don’t have the ability to overcome’. And he said, ‘you’ve been given this because you can overcome it’. And it was just like…

 

Lilou – Breathe into that. Haha!

 

Rhonda – Haha!

 

Lilou – Yes. There’s this other one, PROSPERITY IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT, and everyday think thoughts of abundance, be happy now, be grateful. I mean I feel we have already spoken about that one, but this is a good one to pick up here and there.

 

Rhonda – Everything like… We if we look at it from a Consciousness level, we own everything in the world. We’re incredibly wealthy because everything is ours. There is on a spiritual level, there’s only one. One being so that means that absolutely everything belongs to us but aside from that on the earth level and on the physical level prosperity is ours and it is naturally ours. Everybody would be prosperous and there’s no limit to that prosperity it’s not as though only some people can have it, like it currently is, and others can’t. No there’s absolutely no limit to it and so why isn’t everybody prosperous, because the majority of

people are thinking about a lack of money rather than prosperity, right?

 

Lilou – Yes

 

Rhonda – They’re focusing on not enough, what they don’t have, you know, that they don’t deserve something, if they didn’t, you know, nearly kill themselves working to get it. So all of those kinds of beliefs prevent the prosperity from naturally pouring in. I mean we are the ones that’s stopping it.

 

Lilou – Right and prosperity is not an end in itself neither.

 

Rhonda – No it’s not. No it’s not, like I think the answer for anybody and I say it in The Secret Book and it’s just like so simple, is if you could just choose to be happy now no matter what, you do your best to be happy each day, set an intention, ‘I’m going to be as happy as I can be tomorrow’ and you get yourself stabilized on that high frequency, honestly you do not have to visualize or imagine anything. It’ll just all come.

 

Lilou – So just pick, pick a card, pick a card every day, every morning, that’s the ritual that you propose to us every day pick a card and put it there, set it there, and focus on that the whole day.

 

Rhonda – Exactly. Exactly. Because that will stop our mind from taking us down a track that sabotages our life and instead will put us on a track that enhances our life.

 

Lilou – Beautiful. Well thank you so much Rhonda. So exciting to have you today, thank you so much for being available, and shining your love and light as always.

 

Rhonda – Thank you, thank you, thank you Lilou. Much love.

 

Lilou – Thank you and yes. Please share this video if you liked it. Obviously, it’s in French too so we can go all around the world to many, many countries. Sending you much love and see you later. Bye!

 

Rhonda – Bye!